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Main Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: JJCruiser on October 13, 2018, 06:57:17 pm
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We are back from the factory with our new Phoenix Cruiser 2351 (attached are a few photos). One item we customized was to attach dining tables to the sofa slide out. We wanted tables that would slide in/out with the sofa without any extra setup. We are happy with how they turned out. They even rotate out to be side tables when the sofa is converted to a bed.
JJ
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Wow, JJ! That's pretty slick. I see they were able to install the tables without compromising the pantry or anything. Looks like they would be really useful and versatile. Wonder if the table implementation is something that could be done after the fact, in addition to during the initial build?
Mike
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Wow, JJ! That's pretty slick. I see they were able to install the tables without compromising the pantry or anything. Looks like they would be really useful and versatile. Wonder if the table implementation is something that could be done after the fact, in addition to during the initial build?
Mike
Thanks Mike! Barry said they liked how it turned out so much that Phoenix is going to offer this as an option in the future. I do believe it would be possible to add the tables after the fact. The table mounts are offered by Lagun USA.
https://www.lagunusa.com/
If anyone is interested in giving it a try, I would be glad to add some close up photos of how Phoenix mounted the table brackets. These table tops are 23" by 18". If I were to do it again, I may have gone a little bigger so we would have more table space when our daughter joins us in our travels (see picture below). Also, the one table mount currently prevents the pantry from opening enough to allow the drawers to pull out (I have to slide the table bracket out to allow the door to open enough). Phoenix offered to order two pantry doors to replace the single door. That way the new top pantry door would open clearing the table bracket allowing the top two drawers to pull out. I would then remove the bottom pantry drawer and use the bottom of the pantry as a shelf. I think that will work well.
JJ
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Roof Racks are back I see! tymote
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Thanks Mike! Barry said they liked how it turned out so much that Phoenix is going to offer this as an option in the future. I do believe it would be possible to add the tables after the fact. The table mounts are offered by Lagun USA.
https://www.lagunusa.com/
If anyone is interested in giving it a try, I would be glad to add some close up photos of how Phoenix mounted the table brackets.
JJ
JJ, I absolutely would appreciate photos of how/where Phoenix mounted the brackets. After looking at info on the website you provided, I am impressed with the simplicity and functionality of this design and am convinced this would be a great addition--especially to units without a separate dinette. When I ordered my 2552, I reluctantly decided to go with the sofa in the slide-out, because I felt I needed that capability worse than I needed the dinette, but I regretted giving up the fixed table space. This arrangement seems like an ideal answer to that quandary. My unit is actually still in production, and I will be in touch with Phoenix on Monday to see if it's possible to still add this arrangement to my build--but if that can't be done, I'll be looking at installing a couple of these units myself after delivery. The actual mounting process looks to be simple enough, but it will be important to determine whether the mounting points that Phoenix used are solid enough to accept the extra load as is, or if they installed some reinforcement. In any case, I really appreciate you providing the information on your new coach. I know you must be very proud of it--and it's going to help me solve a shortfall that I regretted having to accept.
Mike
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JJ,
Very nice looking unit!!! We are happy for you and your family.
Gary and Susie
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Roof Racks are back I see! tymote
We really did not discuss the roof racks when we placed our order but we were glad to see that both the racks and the ladder were installed. Our previous 2350 had chrome but I think the black looks better on this one.
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JJ, I absolutely would appreciate photos of how/where Phoenix mounted the brackets. After looking at info on the website you provided, I am impressed with the simplicity and functionality of this design and am convinced this would be a great addition--especially to units without a separate dinette. When I ordered my 2552, I reluctantly decided to go with the sofa in the slide-out, because I felt I needed that capability worse than I needed the dinette, but I regretted giving up the fixed table space. This arrangement seems like an ideal answer to that quandary. My unit is actually still in production, and I will be in touch with Phoenix on Monday to see if it's possible to still add this arrangement to my build--but if that can't be done, I'll be looking at installing a couple of these units myself after delivery. The actual mounting process looks to be simple enough, but it will be important to determine whether the mounting points that Phoenix used are solid enough to accept the extra load as is, or if they installed some reinforcement. In any case, I really appreciate you providing the information on your new coach. I know you must be very proud of it--and it's going to help me solve a shortfall that I regretted having to accept.
Mike
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Mike,
I will be surprised if the factory could not add this to your build. Based on some photos I saw taken during the build of my RV, I believe they added the table mounts late in the process. I agree, the tables would put a load on whatever it is mounted to, so it is important that they are secure. Below are some additional photos. I measured my existing pantry door this afternoon, it is 9" x 47.5". I am going to contact the factory requesting two doors to replace the existing one. The top will be 9" x 31.5" and the bottom will be 9" x 16". This should allow the top pantry door to fully open clearing the table top so the top two drawers can fully extend. And I will remove the bottom drawer and use for a shelf. I already know what I am going to store on that shelf, it will be the perfect size.
Let me know if you have any further questions.
JJ
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JJ,
Very nice looking unit!!! We are happy for you and your family.
Gary and Susie
Gary and Susie,
Thank you!! It seems like it was not that long ago that we had the chance to talk at the factory. Sure hope all is going well with your new PC!!
JJ
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Mike,
I will be surprised if the factory could not add this to your build. Based on some photos I saw taken during the build of my RV, I believe they added the table mounts late in the process. I agree, the tables would put a load on whatever it is mounted to, so it is important that they are secure. Below are some additional photos. I measured my existing pantry door this afternoon, it is 9" x 47.5". I am going to contact the factory requesting two doors to replace the existing one. The top will be 9" x 31.5" and the bottom will be 9" x 16". This should allow the top pantry door to fully open clearing the table top so the top two drawers can fully extend. And I will remove the bottom drawer and use for a shelf. I already know what I am going to store on that shelf, it will be the perfect size.
Let me know if you have any further questions.
JJ
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JJ----thanks much for the additional photos. I does look like Phoenix used some additional spacers/reinforcing at the mount areas, but the installation looks to be fairly straightforward. Lost in my original surprise at the potential table option was that you actually had a pantry installed on the "opposite" side on your 2351! Don't know where they got the space to do that, but I like it! I noted that you had deleted the pantry to get the six wide drawers on the kitchen side (which I had planned to do if buying a 2351), but I had never seen one installed on the opposite side before on that model--really gives you a LOT of storage space in your kitchen. Of course, the arrangement you have on the driver side duplicates the layout I will have in the 2552, so the table installation really caught my eye. The dual pantry doors are a great idea, and I appreciate the measurements. That is probably the only solution to clearing the table on that side. Thank you again for your input!
Mike
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JJ---
One more quick "Thank You" for floating this. Called Phoenix today, and wrote a change order to incorporate the tables in my 2552 build. Wouldn't have found these if you hadn't posted pictures. They already have the tables ID'd as a formal option, and are updating the relevant option lists. I predict these are going to be VERY popular!
Mike
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JJ,
Good call!
The supplied PC portable table is really not very friendly. I have seen your model on several RV's, and boats, they make sense. Before we even ordered our PC I determined this is what I'm installing. I haven't got to it yet, should be a good winter project. I've enclosed a link to show how versatile these tables can be, also some neat table tops https://www.marineteak.co.uk/lagun-adjustable-swivelling-cockpit-table-mounting-system-331
Doug
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JJ---
One more quick "Thank You" for floating this. Called Phoenix today, and wrote a change order to incorporate the tables in my 2552 build. Wouldn't have found these if you hadn't posted pictures. They already have the tables ID'd as a formal option, and are updating the relevant option lists. I predict these are going to be VERY popular!
Mike
You're welcome Mike. I am glad this solution is going to meet your needs and that Phoenix is going to add it to your 2552 build! They acted quick to make this a formal option. I agree with your prediction.
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JJ,
Good call!
The supplied PC portable table is really not very friendly. I have seen your model on several RV's, and boats, they make sense. Before we even ordered our PC I determined this is what I'm installing. I haven't got to it yet, should be a good winter project. I've enclosed a link to show how versatile these tables can be, also some neat table tops https://www.marineteak.co.uk/lagun-adjustable-swivelling-cockpit-table-mounting-system-331
Doug
Thanks Doug! That is an excellent link showing the versatility of these tables. I recall seeing that as we were trying to figure out how we wanted to configure our RV. The supplied PC portable tables serve their purpose, but on previous RVs we found that aligning/removing the tubes can be a bit of a hassle. If you get the chance, post some pictures when you complete your winter project.
JJ
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JJ,
Your setup is 2o2, so much nicer than setting up a free-standing or pole-supported table.
There are so many undocumented options offered by Phoenix. It's too bad they don't include them on their interactive pricing feature. Many people order a PC, not realizing they could have included some especially nice extras.
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I couldn't agree with you more! When we picked up our 2910D in June, we had no idea of what "add-ons" or customizations PC had to offer. It would be simple to take photos of popular add-ons and turn it into a catalog for customers to use when ordering a new unit or even for those planning to visit the factory in their PC unit with the intent of adding and/or upgrading things. Tiffin does this - their factory has a dedicated "lane" for owners returning for customization along with their repair lanes. The new owner of my 36LA drove it over to the factory and replaced a desk area with a dinette.
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Phoenix USA has never invested heavily in their website. Adding and removing particular features would add cost to website maintenance. But there is a very affordable solution. I hope one of the two owners is reading this very simple solution.
- In their pricing web page, include a link to the TOP POST in this forum, General Discussion.
- Create a new TOP POST called "Additional Features & Deviations Not Listed In Pricing".
- Post a picture of each feature or design deviation.
- State the models the feature applies to.
- State the additional cost (or savings) of the feature.
Anyone there at Phoenix who knows how to post pictures on this forum is qualified to maintain their list of otherwise undocumented features.
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JJ,
Your setup is 2o2, so much nicer than setting up a free-standing or pole-supported table.
There are so many undocumented options offered by Phoenix. It's too bad they don't include them on their interactive pricing feature. Many people order a PC, not realizing they could have included some especially nice extras.
Thanks Ron! I agree, it would be nice to see all the options listed on the website pricing page. I would have been much more prepared when we visited the factory to place our order.
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JJ,
Did you consider adding one of these tables in place of the small counter top extension? If I'm thinking correctly it could swing around and make an "L" shaped counter, getting the currently offered contraption out of the doorway. Not seeing one in person, my thinking could be flawed. What do you think?
Doug
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JJ,
Did you consider adding one of these tables in place of the small counter top extension? If I'm thinking correctly it could swing around and make an "L" shaped counter, getting the currently offered contraption out of the doorway. Not seeing one in person, my thinking could be flawed. What do you think?
Doug
Doug,
That is an interesting idea! I can't say I considered that. I don't know why it would not work. I believe it would be possible to find a solid method of mounting the main bracket to the cabinet. One would need to give some thought to the table size and mounting location under the table to give optimal positioning on both the side and front of the existing counter top. I think the table top would probably have to be positioned slightly above the counter top so it could rotate freely when being position from the side to the front of the cabinet. While traveling, I guess the position of the table would be in front of the counter top to allow entry/exit from the door. If so, I would need to check to make sure there is plenty of room to move from the front of the RV to back with the slide in. If the table was positioned a little higher (2-3 inches) so the bracket under the table clears, it would be possible to rotate the table such that it is right above the sink when traveling.
We rarely use the flip up counter top because it blocks the doorway. With 2351, we did choose to use the extra foot to expand the kitchen counter top and cabinet space, we are glad we did.
Thanks for sharing the idea. The next time I am in the RV, I will give it some more thought.
JJ
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I'm pretty sure from the website and your info here that the table top does not flip down like an airplane table. Does it lift off? One picture showed the pieces expanding apart - flat table top up and off a peg, shaft slides up and off, mounting plate stays in place.
Another picture showed a tilt mount on the table like you would use for reading a book or using a laptop but I didn't see that mount on the site.
And they claim it works with a very cool (and expensive) tri-fold teak table top they sell. With that weight the mount would probably need to be in the center which wouldn't work with our couch. If it did work mounted on one end it could be an awesome mod for a dinette.
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I'm pretty sure from the website and your info here that the table top does not flip down like an airplane table. Does it lift off? One picture showed the pieces expanding apart - flat table top up and off a peg, shaft slides up and off, mounting plate stays in place.
Another picture showed a tilt mount on the table like you would use for reading a book or using a laptop but I didn't see that mount on the site.
And they claim it works with a very cool (and expensive) tri-fold teak table top they sell. With that weight the mount would probably need to be in the center which wouldn't work with our couch. If it did work mounted on one end it could be an awesome mod for a dinette.
You are correct, the table we have does not flip down or tilt. The table top does lift off with a quick turn of the tightening lever. With a large, heavier table, it would really be important to have a very secure mounting location.
JJ
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JJ,
Thanks for your thoughts on the counter extension. I think we will end up with one of these on the forward side slide, like you.
Remove the PC counter flip up extension ,hopefully repurpose it for a flip up table behind the passenger side seat. Install an extra vertical pedestal on the end of the kitchen counter. I'm guessing we will have one table top that will be moved from sofa to kitchen. With the vertical adjustment at the kitchen I 'm thinking it can be raised enough to clear the counter and fold in over the sink, for travel, or just keep it on the sofa slide pedestal.
Would you mind next time you are in the RV to give me the measurements of the actual table tops? They look plenty large, and might not fit very well in the kitchen position.
I would like to find a light weight table top material, something you can set a hot pan on, small corian counter tops are really not great for serious cooking. I know someone on here replaced their table with something lighter weight, Was that you CalCruiser? Any ideas on materials?
Thanks again JJ
Doug
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JJ,
Thanks for your thoughts on the counter extension. I think we will end up with one of these on the forward side slide, like you.
Remove the PC counter flip up extension ,hopefully repurpose it for a flip up table behind the passenger side seat. Install an extra vertical pedestal on the end of the kitchen counter. I'm guessing we will have one table top that will be moved from sofa to kitchen. With the vertical adjustment at the kitchen I 'm thinking it can be raised enough to clear the counter and fold in over the sink, for travel, or just keep it on the sofa slide pedestal.
Would you mind next time you are in the RV to give me the measurements of the actual table tops? They look plenty large, and might not fit very well in the kitchen position.
I would like to find a light weight table top material, something you can set a hot pan on, small corian counter tops are really not great for serious cooking. I know someone on here replaced their table with something lighter weight, Was that you CalCruiser? Any ideas on materials?
Thanks again JJ
Doug
Doug
The dimensions of our table tops are 23" x 18". If I had to do it over again I would have likely gone a little larger on each dimension. I measured the distance from the bottom of the table to the bottom of the bracket and it is just a hair over 3 inches (see photo). So with this measurement you will have an idea of how much this table would be over your kitchen counter top if you choose to rotate over the sink.
The wooden table tops we have don't weigh much. I can't really think of a material that would weigh less and still be as sturdy.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
JJ
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Those tables under discussion are really neat. I have a question:
What is the standard table support provided by Phoenix for their free standing tables these days? Our 2013 PC 2350 came with two table legs and a couple of foldable tripods that are just a real hassle.
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Those tables under discussion are really neat. I have a question:
What is the standard table support provided by Phoenix for their free standing tables these days? Our 2013 PC 2350 came with two table legs and a couple of foldable tripods that are just a real hassle.
Same table as in Earl's videos.
Barry T
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JJ,
Thanks for your thoughts on the counter extension. I think we will end up with one of these on the forward side slide, like you.
Remove the PC counter flip up extension ,hopefully repurpose it for a flip up table behind the passenger side seat. Install an extra vertical pedestal on the end of the kitchen counter. I'm guessing we will have one table top that will be moved from sofa to kitchen. With the vertical adjustment at the kitchen I 'm thinking it can be raised enough to clear the counter and fold in over the sink, for travel, or just keep it hon the sofa slide pedestal.
Would you mind next time you are in the RV to give me the measurements of the actual table tops? They look plenty large, and might not fit very well in the kitchen position.
I would like to find a light weight table top material, something you can set a hot pan on, small corian counter tops are really not great for serious cooking. I know someone on here replaced their table with something lighter weight, Was that you CalCruiser? Any ideas on materials?
Thanks again JJ
Doug
Those swing-away tables are sweet , similar to the LTV Wonder FTB model.
If you are going to remove the countertop extension by the stairwell you may be able to use it or the brackets to replace the right side cabinet door under the stove ,like in the early model PC's. Ours has 2 countertop extensions but we mainly use the one on the right.
I did replace the heavy pedestal table with a 20"x25" folding Tablemate XL . I'ts made from "food rated polypropylene", probably not good for hot cooking utensils. I bought a pair but we only use one. It stores flat behind the 3rd chair, and when not in use as a table it slides over the 3rd chair for a convenient place to keep stuff organized.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Table-Mate-XL-Original-TV-Tray-Table-Mocha/132627865206?hash=item1ee13c9e76:g:kU4AAOSwkbpa~wPm&redirect=mobile.
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CalCruiser,
Thought that was you with the table upgrade, thanks for the link. You got me to thinking about the current counter extension. We have mounted another set of batteries under our sink, which makes it useless for storage. We could move that flip up extension around front, the cabinet doors never get opened anyway. Time to do some measuring, and more planning.
Doug
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We received the new pantry doors from the factory. Now the top two pantry drawers fully pull out like they should. I removed the lowest pantry drawer and now use that as a deep shelf. Sure beats having to remove the table to get into the pantry.
JJ
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That looks great JJ! Just how I expected it to look. The loss of the one pantry pull out drawer is a small price to pay for the utility that the tables provide--especially when you can still use the area as a deep shelf!
I'm so glad that you posted those first early pictures of your coach with the table installation on the forum. I may have subsequently run across it on the Phoenix website--since they later added the photos of your unit as a new option, but being able to catch it early from you ensured I was able to get the same install done during my build, which was underway.
Congratulations on having the imagination and/or the inventiveness to carry out that table idea!
Mike
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Love your tables. Those would work really well for grandson’s activities and snacks while traveling. I disliked the table that came with my 2552 that I put in the garage and bought a kamping king bamboo top folding table. When it is opened it is bigger than original table, with adjustable height legs and it stores in the closet in the same straps as original. Love yours, might have to consider talking with Phoenix, after I swap out my radio for one with Bluetooth...the biggest mistake I made in ordering my coach.
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At the Tampa RV show we noted several manufacturers installing the Lagun tables, especially in class B’s with a variety of top designs. I have been given marching orders that installing one in our 2552 will be a top priority when we get home this spring.
Before going further, however, I was hopping for an update on how happy those are who have them and for anyone who has done an installation themselves, any issues they may have had. We’re currently with Barry and Sue and I was picking Barry’s brain about bracing the base and he raised some good points about just how secure the forward vertical slide trim board, to which the bracket is being attached, is secured to the slide out and if additional backing or bracing should be placed on the backside of the board.
A call to the factory is in order, but would also appreciate any other thoughts members might have.
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At the Tampa RV show we noted several manufacturers installing the Lagun tables, especially in class B’s with a variety of top designs. I have been given marching orders that installing one in our 2552 will be a top priority when we get home this spring.
Before going further, however, I was hopping for an update on how happy those are who have them and for anyone who has done an installation themselves, any issues they may have had. We’re currently with Barry and Sue and I was picking Barry’s brain about bracing the base and he raised some good points about just how secure the forward vertical slide trim board, to which the bracket is being attached, is secured to the slide out and if additional backing or bracing should be placed on the backside of the board.
A call to the factory is in order, but would also appreciate any other thoughts members might have.
Bob--
I would like to be able to respond to your question--especially since I was the one early in this thread so excited about discovering this option and planning to incorporate the table by whatever means in my new unit. Unfortunately, although I was able to get a change order in to Phoenix to add the table option to my build, I won't pick up my new 2552 until early February so haven't yet seen or used the installation (except for the photos in this thread and on the website). You can see from my early comments that I was also concerned about the mounting (if I had to install it myself), since the offset table will apply a measurable load to that one point and I was unsure how solid that mounting area might be. I'm pretty comfortable now, since Phoenix is installing my tables, that they will take whatever action is necessary to ensure that the mounting is adequate. If I hadn't secured the change order, and had to do them myself however, my plan would have been to not make assumptions--but to give Phoenix a call and see what process they were using to install them.
Mike
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At the Tampa RV show we noted several manufacturers installing the Lagun tables, especially in class B’s with a variety of top designs. I have been given marching orders that installing one in our 2552 will be a top priority when we get home this spring.
Before going further, however, I was hopping for an update on how happy those are who have them and for anyone who has done an installation themselves, any issues they may have had. We’re currently with Barry and Sue and I was picking Barry’s brain about bracing the base and he raised some good points about just how secure the forward vertical slide trim board, to which the bracket is being attached, is secured to the slide out and if additional backing or bracing should be placed on the backside of the board.
A call to the factory is in order, but would also appreciate any other thoughts members might have.
RKS
We just got back from our initial road trip down to central Florida with our PC2351. After a month of use, we still think the Lagun tables are fantastic. We really like the ease of use and the flexibility of table placement . . . plus not having to setup/disassemble a table when we travel. The factory installed ours, I included the pictures earlier in the tread. Give considerable thought to the size table top you want and where you want the table top mounted underneath. By rotating the table top it is possible to have seating for 4 at the tables, where 2 sit on the sofa and 2 sit on the pull out foot rests which is ideal for kids.
Let me know if you have any specific questions.
JJ