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Main Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: Captain Al on October 01, 2018, 12:50:12 pm
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I have seen entries on this topic before but am unable to find the right search words to access previous discussions.
We have a 2014 model 2100 (no slide) purchased new. The driver and passenger seat upholstery is a ‘leather’ look-alike made by Halo Services. The surface is starting to check and crack and even flake-off. Unit is stored under cover outside.
Is there any treatment that will slow or stop this process? (Wishful thinking?). Alternatively, when the seats were re-upholstered, what fabric product was used and how has it held up?
Situation is not ‘critical’ - just want to stay ahead of the game.
Thanks
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Not sure there is much that can be done once the flaking/cracking has begun. With both of my PC’s (2011 and 2012) I used a Mother’s product called LVR that made the material look great, feel great, and smelled like leather. As long as I owned the 2012 I did not observe any break down at all. I used the stuff after every outing. LoveShack ownes the coach now so perhaps he can give us the latest status? Best of luck.
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https://forum.phoenixusarv.com/index.php?topic=2678.msg21810#msg21810
Here's the link to flaking seats and euro chairs. My 2012 has a very slight flake on the passenger seat probably caused by our dog. Some folks have posted photos of severe flaking and cracking.
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We have never used any type of cleaning product on these seats. The cracking is in random locations - one armrest, one head rest, the side of one seat, etc. It is. A puzzlement...!
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We had the same chair material problem on a Tiffin. When it was determined the material was defective, Tiffin had a three year replacement offer. When that expired, they offered two years of free material (but stopped that pretty quickly when the material was discontinued) and then offered a $250 discount on a a similar chair (these were moveable chairs). I was actually able to get Bill Tiffin on the phone - he offered a new chair for $250 if I would come to Red Bay, AL and pick it up. We did just that!
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My seats are flaking real bad. I contacted Pheonix in Elkhart. They told me that the 2012 to (I the hink 2015 had that problem. The only solution is to have the fabric replaced. They can do it at the factory or you can have it done locally, which they said would most likely be cheaper. The flaking fabric has been discontinued by Pheonix. I an putting replacement fabric on my things to do list. I will update you as I find out more.
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OK here is the definitive answer to your "Flaking" question. We have a 2012 2910 and our front seats/sofa and euro chairs looked like they had a bad case of dandruff.I called PC and was told that I could "BUY" the front seats replacement covers for $$$. Soooo, I went to a local upholster and was told that the crummy covers on my furniture came from CHINA! I mean, we had to sweep the floor every time we used the PC. What to do? Long story short, we bit the bullet and had everything reupholstered........cost $ 1500.00.00 all all not a bad job, in retrospect We should have thrown out the couch and installed dual recliners....maybe we will sooner than later. PC will not stand behind their product so don't be lured into thinking so. BTW, the Samsung tv just went out and after much thought we purchased a JENSEN 28 in tv. What a great buy...temperature and vibration tested /wonderful picture! Cost $250.00 on Amazon. Hope this brief missive helped you. Rich
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I started a poll some time ago to document the years of self-destructing leatherette seat skins. If you have not participated, please do so for the sake of the PC community.
CLICK HERE (https://forum.phoenixusarv.com/index.php?topic=2680.0) to take you to the poll on this forum. You can view the polling results by clicking on the "View Results" at the bottom of the opening post.
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OK here is the definitive answer to your "Flaking" question. We have a 2012 2910 and our front seats/sofa and euro chairs looked like they had a bad case of dandruff.I called PC and was told that I could "BUY" the front seats replacement covers for $$$. Soooo, I went to a local upholster and was told that the crummy covers on my furniture came from CHINA! I mean, we had to sweep the floor every time we used the PC. What to do? Long story short, we bit the bullet and had everything reupholstered........cost $ 1500.00.00 all all not a bad job, in retrospect We should have thrown out the couch and installed dual recliners....maybe we will sooner than later. PC will not stand behind their product so don't be lured into thinking so. BTW, the Samsung tv just went out and after much thought we purchased a JENSEN 28 in tv. What a great buy...temperature and vibration tested /wonderful picture! Cost $250.00 on Amazon. Hope this brief missive helped you. Rich
Welcome from Sebastian FL! :)(: My Daughter's family is up in your area.
Got a 2006 2350 used about a year ago, pre-flake upholstery 2o2
Regarding your statement- ""PC will not stand behind their product so don't be lured into thinking so"" ...
Are you implying that PC should warranty 6 year old seats in a secondhand RV? I have yet to contact 'The Mothership' , but I am impressed by the service they give to others here.
I may be contacting them to get some new upper marker lights in back... cant seem to source them.
Ditto on the couch also... might even sleep better in a recliner than on that lump-a-bump. :lol
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We should have thrown out the couch and installed dual recliners....
When the ultraleather in our 2012 2551 bit the dust this summer we installed dual recliners. What an improvement. We chose to go with cloth instead of any type of leather product. The headrest from the recliners also remove easily if we so desire as can be seen in our pictures. These were made by img comfort in Norway. The arms were ordered without any seal or stain so that we could match the existing cherry in our coach. We had a stain master product applied to the cloth and they guarantee to remove any stain. And yes, we've already called them since something red from someone's arm pyho let us test their product (well worth the $89).
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Those are nice looking recliners 2o2
Does anyone know where to buy the current oem style dual reclining sofa beds? I emailed Paul's with no reply, so I'm not sure if that's even the vendor?
If the OEM's are N/A I am leaning toward this:
https://www.coachsupplydirect.com/rv-products/rv-lambright-reclining-lovseats-sofas/lambright-elite-rv-reclining-loveseat/
I think someone on this forum has a 2551 or 52 non-slide with this in white ??
https://www.coachsupplydirect.com/rv-products/rv-lambright-reclining-lovseats-sofas/lambright-lazy-relaxer-loveseat/
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A bit off topic.......but since studying the nice recliner pictures........
This question is for the many of you with model 2350, 2351, 2551, and 2552 with couch-in-slideout.
The TV is to your left, very left. How is watching TV working out for you? Are you able to see the TV when leaning back or reclining? Sitting in the slide-out, does the box block your view? It seems that the person sitting on the couch favoring the driver seat is not able to see the TV at all. Am I correct or is that an illusion?
A few of you have a cantilevered arm for your TV, but most do not. Does the arm make it work a whole lot better? Can both people watch TV comfortably on the couch with a TV arm system?
Our no-slide front-facing dinette bench and reclining/swivel captain chair by the door are our 2 best TV viewing seats. Our bed also works but is a bit far away from our forward 26" TV screen. The dinette is surely not a seat to kick-back in, but works since we upgraded the cushions. Irene and I swap seats once in a while if one person wants a break from the dinette.
I wonder how it works for people without the extra chair in model 2551. It seems like only one person can watch a movie. Do you setup a folding chair for a second person?
Because we often vacation in the fall, daylight ends sooner. So we occasionally entertain ourselves with a board game at the dinette, or a movie until bedtime.
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Ron,
We installed our TV with a cantilevered arm so it is great viewing from either seat position and even the bed area. The models in recent years were installed with the cantilevered arm by the factory. So no issues for us except falling asleep while watching tv.
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Hi Barry-Sue,
Those recliners look beautiful! Can I ask you what that cabinet behind the drivers seat is and did you custom make it for that spot?
Always looking for great ways to use space.
Thanks!
Dawn
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Dawn,
When we ordered our PC we had them make it. It has a flip-top door that can be used as a small table. Our driver’s seat turns so we can use the small table for snacks, or drinks, or even a laptop.
Sue
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Dawn,
When we ordered our PC we had them make it. It has a flip-top door that can be used as a small table. Our driver’s seat turns so we can use the small table for snacks, or drinks, or even a laptop.
Sue
Those recliners are beautiful. If Mrs V sees them... do you have a link? I did not find any RV seats on their site. :help
And i had not noticed the cabinet. I have been lost on what to do with the space, and that is very nice.
Was the rotating drivers seat a factory option? I would gladly give up the power base for rotating...
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Here is the link to the img comfort recliner that we purchased. It is actually a 2 seater. They are not made specifically for RVs but after talking with the US rep they are used in many buses and touring vehicles. We worked with the company to verify all the specs, they sent pictures with actual measurements and weight. They came shipped in pieces so it was easy to get the seat in the motorhome, install it, and then put the backs on. The arms came apart easily so we could stain the wood to match the cherry we have in the RV. Once we decided what would work we went to a local furniture store that carried them, tried them out for comfort, and then placed our order.
https://imgcomfort.com/Userfiles/Upload/files/Modules/Products/Product/33_WS-WM-PEAK-TECHNICAL-SHEET.pdf
As far as the rotating drivers seat, in our 2008 we had a power seat and always wished it would rotate. When we ordered the 2012, PC said they had never done a rotating driver’s seat but we were willing to take the risk. It turns just as easily as the passenger seat and rotates completely around. It gives us that 4th seating position that we always missed in the 2008.
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Barry, I recall you have a picture somewhere on this forum with the two front seats rotated. If you can find it, that would be great for the curious.
How well does the driver seat recline with the steering wheel behind it? Does the swivel pedestal slide rearward enough?
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Here is a picture of the two captains chairs swiveled into the living area. The drivers seat can be reclined about 75% without interfering with the steering wheel. Normally we use them for company or when we are reading so they mostly stay in a somewhat upright position.
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2o2 to Barry for the pic.
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Ron,
If you want to install the rotate platform, I have on you can have.
Jim
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The blocked tv view is an issue for us as well with the 2910. What are the best options for the cantilevered setup. Where should I purchase one and is there any downside to it. One of us has to sit at the dining table to see the tv. Thanks Rick
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Rick,
This is the link to the original message where we posted about installing the swivel mount for our TV. It has a link to the mount that we used. It still works flawlessly for us. Just make sure your tv is compatible with the mount. We had purchased our own tv and ordered our unit without one, thus our tv is a Visio.
https://forum.phoenixusarv.com/index.php?topic=713.msg4850#msg4850
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Barry
Nice job on your tv. It looks like the mount is held by two screws. Is that true? Is that why you added the shelf to hold the tv in place better? I seen the same mount at Campers World. It had two mount so one could move the tv. It suggested to remove the tv during travel and reinstall at destination. This may be an option, although a little of a pain, if one doesn’t want to install shelf and secure hangers.
https://www.campingworld.com/travel-tv-wall-mount
Ron
I may get around to this in the spring.
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Ron
The mount is held in place by two screws but I would not use them to remove the TV. There are a couple of pivot points on the mount that would be easier to use to remove the TV. The issue I had with removing the TV was that the power cable was not detachable and could become a pain. As far as the shelf is concerned let me quote a TV personality, "If it is worth doing it is worth over doing." With the self I do not have to worry that the TV will move during travel.
I also installed the TV in out 2008 2350 without a shelf and there was some flexing of the TV housing during travel. I had to use padding to keep the TV vertical on rough roads.
Barry