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Main Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: Volkemon on August 07, 2018, 06:33:26 pm
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I did try to search this topic, but the site search engine returned all words with 'ac' in them... pyho
This weekend we did an overnight and ran the AC for ~19 hrs. No drips while running, but when I turned it off.... :-[ Water running out of it. Maybe a cup or so, but flowing off/out of the control knobs :beg :help Glad the new vinyl floor just needed a quick towel.
Mrs V is not confident in the coach AC. :cool
Sooooo.... I am taking that AC out to verify all is well mechanically. We were buying a new AC for the Phoenix Carrier trailer anyway, so now the plan is to get a new quiet(er) AC and install in the coach, and put the Dometic in the Carrier. The Dometic is a relatively new replacement to the coach, before our ownership.
The Dometic is not ALL that noisy, considering its operating environment. But hey... if we can upgrade...
Thoughts?
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A few folks over on the Winnebago View and Travato sites have purchased this replacement. Quite$$$
https://advanced-rv.com/quiet-air-conditioner-install-retrofit/
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A few folks over on the Winnebago View and Travato sites have purchased this replacement. Quite$$$
https://advanced-rv.com/quiet-air-conditioner-install-retrofit/
Thanks!
I had seen that thread, and it seems to indicate that one can only get the unit by having it installed by Advanced RV
Do you know of another source to get this unit?
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We live in the South and frequent the Gulf Coast so two AC units in our 2910D was a requirement. I have to admit we were taken back by the high level of noise. During the delivery, we played with the AC units attempting to find a way to deal with the noise. We finally came up with operating both units initially to cool the whole coach down (all shades down), then switching to the unused area unit after the coach cooled. For example, if we were in the living area, we ran the bedroom unit with side and rear vents closed. At bedtime, we ran the living area unit with front and side vents closed and the rear vent open. Yes, it was still louder than any AC unit we have had on an RV, but it is do-able. We had two large units on our Tiffin 36LA and still found it necessary to run both units at the beach and while not as loud as these, they were loud. We are headed down there next month so anxious to see how this is going to work out. Will update.
Mike
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At this point I believe your right about having to go to the shop in Cleveland!
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We live in the South and frequent the Gulf Coast so two AC units in our 2910D was a requirement. I have to admit we were taken back by the high level of noise. During the delivery, we played with the AC units attempting to find a way to deal with the noise. We finally came up with operating both units initially to cool the whole coach down (all shades down), then switching to the unused area unit after the coach cooled. For example, if we were in the living area, we ran the bedroom unit with side and rear vents closed. At bedtime, we ran the living area unit with front and side vents closed and the rear vent open. Yes, it was still louder than any AC unit we have had on an RV, but it is do-able. We had two large units on our Tiffin 36LA and still found it necessary to run both units at the beach and while not as loud as these, they were loud. We are headed down there next month so anxious to see how this is going to work out. Will update.
Mike
I can imagine some of the standing wave and resonance issues operating two units in/on an RV! :beg
I see you have a newer coach. What make/model AC do they use?
PS - by your username, I am guessing you are familiar with C-141's... I was briefly a MP at Pease AFB and had a chance to ride in those and the KC-130's back in the 80's. Amazing craft.
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Our 2007 Dometic Penguin a/c unit is also quite loud. You would think the manufacture would have made some improvements to that over the years.
I want to share a story about my brother's motorhome. His roof a/c unit was exceptionally loud. He took his rig in for "other" service which included replacing his a/c cover from hail damage. The service technician noticed his a/c unit had become loose from the roof. After being tightened-down his a/c has been much better....less loud.
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The service technician noticed his a/c unit had become loose from the roof. After being tightened-down his a/c has been much better....less loud.
(exactly) THATS why I do my own work. I have read other threads about internals vibrating, brackets craked, etc. I am going to be installing both A/C's 'piecemeal' - install enough to make it run, then run for a few hours. Inspect, check, find rattles, leaks, etc. Then when all is a 'go' finish installing the covers.
The basic mechanics of an AC unit may make it difficult to impossible to get quiet. 2 fans (one motor) and a compressor in ~8 square feet... in the middle of a 'drumhead' (wide roof area). I would be interested in finding what makes the one exStarlifter referred to quieter. Does not seem to be much technical info.
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Your condensation issue should be a simple fix.
First remove the outside cover/shroud and clean out any debris from the drip pan, making sure the drain hole to the outside of the roof is open. Then check to see if someone used silicone around the opening instead of a gasket.
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We live in the South and frequent the Gulf Coast so two AC units in our 2910D was a requirement. I have to admit we were taken back by the high level of noise. During the delivery, we played with the AC units attempting to find a way to deal with the noise. We finally came up with operating both units initially to cool the whole coach down (all shades down), then switching to the unused area unit after the coach cooled. For example, if we were in the living area, we ran the bedroom unit with side and rear vents closed. At bedtime, we ran the living area unit with front and side vents closed and the rear vent open. Yes, it was still louder than any AC unit we have had on an RV, but it is do-able. We had two large units on our Tiffin 36LA and still found it necessary to run both units at the beach and while not as loud as these, they were loud. We are headed down there next month so anxious to see how this is going to work out. Will update.
Mike
Yes - Norton AFB/1976 to 1981, instructor and check pilot. We ordered and picked up a 2910D in June. Love it!
I can imagine some of the standing wave and resonance issues operating two units in/on an RV! :beg
I see you have a newer coach. What make/model AC do they use?
PS - by your username, I am guessing you are familiar with C-141's... I was briefly a MP at Pease AFB and had a chance to ride in those and the KC-130's back in the 80's. Amazing craft.
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Your condensation issue should be a simple fix.
First remove the outside cover/shroud and clean out any debris from the drip pan, making sure the drain hole to the outside of the roof is open. Then check to see if someone used silicone around the opening instead of a gasket.
I am hoping it will be a simple solution. It does drain, just fine, while running. We had it on for ~18 hrs, and not a drip. Huge puddle on the concrete, and it was draining. It was at shutoff the flood began. I am imagining that perhaps there is a place water is being retained. that the airflow keeps the water 'up'. When the airflow stops, water flows.
We had the AC running for several days in the driveway, and this didnt happen. The only notable difference is that we were sleeping inside, being human humidifiers, and there was a soaking wet bear suit we had hanging inside. (fear of it getting stolen outside (WH) ), I sweated a gallon wearing it for ~1hr in FL heat. I am the purple bear on the left. roflol
(https://scontent.ftpa1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/38697967_305541913339930_6196481083240873984_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=c00266be71ffb4d2d4c1b9dba41a2d7d&oe=5BCBEC15)
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Are you dancing to Uncle John's Band?
Patti
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We are running both AC units or one at a time during visits to the coach while it is in covered storage. It's hot and humid enough in the storage facility to produce condensation water quickly. Unlike our Class A which ran water down the side the coach or down the cab windows, our 2910 has the condensation water channeled out and away - looks like someone thought about this before they installed it. It's nice not to have water stains on the windows!
Mike
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Are you dancing to Uncle John's Band?
Patti
No, they are in the Tampa area. :) https://unclejohnsband.com/ (https://unclejohnsband.com/)
Unlimited Devotion was the band honoring Jerry. Out of Boca Raton, but three members come over from Tampa Bay area. (WH)
I am dancing at the end, the children loved it. At 1:42:45 then on stage getting the encore 1:55:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdz6f8zgbx0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdz6f8zgbx0)
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When we were at the plant n July last year and had several things attended to the AC was one. We stayed over another day to see their call in AC man. He did some work on one unit that had things all wrapped where they should not have been and made adjustments and it helped. Our unit in front would go on and off and right back on again. He did settle that. The only decent AC we had in a RV was 08 National that had basement AC that was wonderful and quiet. After that it was all noise. The Allegro Bus with all the lines in the roof was terrible. Noisy as can be and no fix. But the only cure is camping in winter it seems. My hearing on one side is not good so I try not to concentrate on the noise. So far we are glad for the AC and in ours there is 2... on generator power we only run one for dog comfort.
Luv P
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The one made in Australia sold by advance is 3 times quieter and 5% more efficient than anything else sold here in the us. However it is about 2500. 00 , so much pricier. From what I watched there are some installers they will recommend besides themselves but they are the only importer at this time. Also I believe, but don’t hold me to it ,that the only others they will sell to for install are rv builders. We really want one but I have to swallow the cost factor first
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Well my ac running and drips down the side of the rv behind the driver door. It looks like someone is milking a cow on the roof and has tipped the bucket.. there are several lines running down and it is hard to clean up whatever humidity liquid is running. I have thought about getting out the tall ladder Since for now I am at home, and seeing if there is a drip edge that I can add something to and move the drip out away from the side of the RV. The other factor is not to interfere with the sofa slide unit movement. So my jobs grow but my energy level has not. I can tolerate the noisy ac I guess. Beats being overheated for sure.
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HenryJ Patricia,
Don't you have the little rain gutters with drip extensions on the ends? Maybe you are missing them causing the dripping down the side of your PC, or maybe you are parked at a slant. If missing them, call the factory.
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HenryJ Patricia,
Don't you have the little rain gutters with drip extensions on the ends? Maybe you are missing them causing the dripping down the side of your PC, or maybe you are parked at a slant. If missing them, call the factory.
On my recent trip to Elkhart, I specifically asked about the rain gutters and drip extensions when tweaking the build sheet. I was told that this is standard.
Barry T
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Well my ac running and drips down the side of the rv behind the driver door. It looks like someone is milking a cow on the roof and has tipped the bucket.. there are several lines running down and it is hard to clean up whatever humidity liquid is running. I have thought about getting out the tall ladder Since for now I am at home, and seeing if there is a drip edge that I can add something to and move the drip out away from the side of the RV. The other factor is not to interfere with the sofa slide unit movement. So my jobs grow but my energy level has not. I can tolerate the noisy ac I guess. Beats being overheated for sure.
Yes indeed, better cool and a bit drippy. (nod)
I am not too fussy about leveling 'perfectly' so my condensate drips down to whichever end is lower, hits the 'seam' in the roof then drips there. My rain gutters do not go to the end, so it bypasses them each time.
The one made in Australia sold by advance is 3 times quieter and 5% more efficient than anything else sold here in the us. However it is about 2500. 00 , so much pricier. From what I watched there are some installers they will recommend besides themselves but they are the only importer at this time. Also I believe, but don’t hold me to it ,that the only others they will sell to for install are rv builders. We really want one but I have to swallow the cost factor first
any link to specs on the AC? tymote
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Bill, I’m on a old I phone, just punch in Advanced RV quiet air conditioner and it will pop up. They are in Cleveland Ohio. I need to do a bit more research but I think I’ll get one next year, I’m sick of these noisy pieces of crap. I’m glad they are finally importing these from Australia. Maybe it will force the others to step up to the plate.
All being said and done there is a lot of research to be done before I send three grand for a new ac unit. I’ve bought into more than one can of snake oil in my life.
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Not a big video fan, but this one does touch on key points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zQkBDPOLW4
In a nutshell, this is a miniature split system setup. The major difference between a conventional RV AC unit and this is there are 2 balanced, discreet fans.T\I bet the two fans can be run at different speeds as needed also. Energy saving, and reduced noise!! Every roof mount AC I have seen used 2 fans on one motor shaft. Most times a squirrel cage fan on one end, and a blade fan on the other. Big noisemaker, but much less $$ to make.
The build quality is also notable. All nuts and bolts tightened then heads sealed. This probably adds a bit to manufacturing costs!!
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I can’t find it on the site so I wrote to them to find out what the BTU rating is. I also can not find any independent reviews from any forums. I have no issue with the cost if it’s as quiet and well built as they say and at a minimum 13,500 BTU.
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They responded, it’s 13,500 btu with claimed equivalent cooling of 15,000 btu units. I asked about availability and they are presently booked into October. Now to find some reviews of actual owners with these units in class C or A. It’s darn near three times the cost of a new penguin however even reviews of new penguins are constant complaints of excessive noise.
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They responded, it’s 13,500 btu with claimed equivalent cooling of 15,000 btu units.
Ok.... my 'red warning lights' are on now. If its a 15Kbtu output for the power use of a 13.5K unit, that would be something to brag about.
But output is output. If it supplies 13.5Kbtu, then thats what it supplies. If its a derated 15K unit sold as a 13.5, thats OK too.
but the 'claimed equivalent cooling' is like me saying my old Nissan truck does 95 MPH, but feels like the equivalent of doing 115 MPH. :lol
Seems odd that if they have the new 'Wonder AC' that more info isnt available. Then again, they are booked into october. Might not need/want the publicity.
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Volk, not sure but they claim it cools 20% better than anything else on the market. That being the case a 13,500 unit would cool as well as a 15,000 btu or better. The only reviews I’ve found are of those who have seen the units in use at rv shows. They stated they were whisper quiet compared to anything else they had ever been around. Today I heard back regarding places for installation and currently they are only being done in house in Cleveland. She told me they anticipated having several options to places for install by next summer. Also she said it was a full day for install. As to why II did not ask or was it stated. I will say she was up front in finding out and answering every question I had. 2200 miles one way for install or warranty work is too much for me however if they have places closer by next spring I’m anticipating having one installed. I hate the noise of the penguin and reading reviews of newer penguins don’t seem any better so in my case a newer penquin isn’t the answer..