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Main Forum => General Discussion => Topic started by: ragoodsp on October 19, 2010, 09:26:38 am
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I was recently looking around my new 2551 to find a place to store a 3" sewer hose and I found what I consider a great solution. I purchased aprrox. 21" of 4" PVC, two 4" threaded flanges and two 4" threaded plugs as well as some 1" steel strapping (with holes). I utilized the two right end generator frame bolts to hold the two 4" steel strapping strips that I shaped around the PVC pipe to make circle brackets, there is plenty of room between the generator exahaust pipe and the PVC so there will not be any heat issues. I inserted the pipe into the two hangers and then glued the two flanges, one on each end (do not glue before you insert pipe or you will not get the over sized flanges thru the tight circle brackets). The inside flange just slides under the frame rail and the outside flange and plug are the perfect depth as they are under the coaches skirting but still able to be gotten to easily. I drilled a couple of hole in the bottom of the PVC pipe for draining, and utilized a couple of 1/4 bolts thru the hangers and the pipe to keep the pipe from rolling within the hangers. I sprayed the pipe and fittings with black undercoating and that is it. I can now store a full length of sewer pipe with fittings in a very secure out of the way place that can barely be seen looking at the coach! The entire job cost me $24.00.
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I really like that idea. Before I got a PC my other MH had a bumper that I use to store the hose in. Even with the macerator system, I carry and I'm quite sure other people do, the hose to be used incase of a problem. It's raining outside and I was wondering what I was going to do today. Well thanks to your idea ... a fresh cup of coffee in hand and I will be on my way out to the garage to check out how this can be done on my MH. I wonder if there are other places to attach the pipe hmmmmm >8)
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My 2007 2350 has a macerator by-pass opening, but I never gave a thought to be prepared to use it. I suppose it would be "a must" in freezing temps. Great idea!
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I’d recommend outside storage for a standard sewer hose. On a recent trip, our Sani-Con system bit the dust - $500+ to replace. And stranded with a tank full of you-know-what. And forced to pay campground prices for a sewer hose and connections.
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Since I'm too lazy to drive over to my storage locker and crawl around, I have to ask where the backup full size hose outlet might be on my 2006 PC 2551S? All I see from the outside is the control panel and regular hose in the compartment and the macerator pump hanging down toward the rear end of the camper. Is it hidden underneath somewhere? Thanks for any help.
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From the rear of the coach outlet is on the left side 1/4 of the way in you will see a regular 3" twist cap.
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Sure don't see anything like that on our '06. Guess they didn't put them on the older models. Dunno...
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I wish I could make this picture huge so you can see my maserator bypass poop drain much better. I will try to describe "where exactly" it is.
You see the maserator pump to the left. Follow it to the right, to the point of the mud flap. Just to the left of the mudflap is a black round thing with a small rectangular gray decal on the lower portion. That is the cap to the bypass. It faces rearward and is more under the motor home than would be considered convenient. But for an emergency, I think it will be quite appreciated. I would think all PC owners have this. You just never got under the poop system to notice it.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2556/3744782838_07263c0c51_b.jpg)
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Thanks Ron, but nope, we aren't seeing it. (WH)
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Trudy --- For what its worth -your 2006 Cruiser may not have it --- I didn't have one on my 2006, 2350...I'm not sure when they starting addintg the fitting, but the 2011, 2552 has it...
Jack
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I just put a post under "back flushing tanks" topic with a picture that might help clear this up. this is what my 2010 PC 2350 looks like from the back under the coach.
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Thanks Tom --- I just read your other post & picture, and was going to suggest she take a look as well..
Jack
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Does anyone with a model 2350 PC have a good place to store an "emergency" sewer hose? Do you think a 10' section of hose would be adequate for emergency use? Any possibility it could share the macerator hose compartment? I wouldn't feel good about storing it in the rear or side storage compartments unless it was securely sealed against leaks, but I agree that it would be a good idea to carry one of those in case of problems with the macerator pump.
Glenn
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Good idea Glenn.
Could be a lifesaver if the macerator pump ever quit.
Although, I guess you could borrow a neighbor's hose!! :lol
I need to look for a place on my 2551 to store a hose, ten feet is probably good for an emergency hose.
Bob
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Somebody, I think on this forum but maybe not, made a sewer storage container. He strapped a 4" PVC pipe with a threaded end to use a threaded sewer cap as the lid. I think it was mounted just forward of the rear wheels. I don't recall the model of his rig.
Such a thing would also be great for fishing poles and other long skinny items......though obviously not sharing the same tube with the sewer hose. Maybe a pair of tubes would be in-order.
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The Rhino hose comes with end caps to seal it and it will fit in the bottom of the rear trunk. I have one there now for when that emergency occurs. I think it is 15 feet long when extended.
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In all truth, if I didn't already have a "stinky-slinky" from our Alpine, which I've stored in the locker behind the batteries of our 2551, I'd not worry too much about it. After all, where are you when using the macerator? Usually in a CG that'll probably have one for sale in their store (they're not that expensive).
If the macerator fails is it truly an emergency? Surely nothing like engine problems or flat tires.
However, if I were really worried about it and still have our 2350, I'd buy proper sized white PVC pipe with fittings, strap it lengthwise to the roof rail and store the hose inside it. It would be out of the way and not terribly obtrusive.
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Ron:
It was the 2551. It is the very first post on this topic! lol. I too looked yesterday to see if I could do the same thing on my 2350 and I have my doubts because of the lack of room. I am still pondering the idea.
David
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If I have problems, I'm just gonna dump it in Sharon's pocket. No No No, just kidding. I have a brand newy, in the box, cheapie, up to 15'. Probably fall apart on first use. (WH)
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Just wondering about this as my PC is my first RV managing waste.
Given we do not use our PC for #2, everything I discharge is liquid. In the event of a maserator failure, I would think I could dump without a 3" hose by opening the 3" sewer cap, then open the black and gray tanks and simply let the stuff run on those concrete aprons at the dump stations. Then rince the area once done.
Is that okay to do in an emergency? Do people do that? I never seen it. I suppose it is not good camper edicate.
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" I suppose it is not good camper edicate."
You are right about that. :beg
You may not use toilet paper but I will bet that the DW does, and that would be a mess to clean up. :'(
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Our Sani-Con system went out. It only happens once and you’re prepared for the next time. We had a sewer hose storage tube added as an option at the factory. See picture. You could do it a cheaper yourself.
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For the fisherman, it seems a great place to store fishing poles.....before any poop gets in there.
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With what the fish are eating these days and now from Japan, I would not worry too much about a little poop.
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With what the fish are eating these days and now from Japan, I would not worry too much about a little poop.
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In light of the proper etiquette for dumping our holding tanks and having been camping for over 50 years, one thing that gives RV'ers a bad name is being seen dumping on the ground. It not only violates every health and sanitation law, City and State, but will get you a serious fine if caught. You will be hard pressed to explain away that you bleached away any health hazard. I have a twenty-six inch E-Z Hose Carrier that has screw on caps at each end and have it secured to the roof rack with stainless hose clamps. Easily accessible when needed, but out of the way. I have a ten foot standard sewer hose in the holder ready when needed. PC had the foresight to add a fitting before the Sani-Con Macerator for just such an emergency or a failure. I have taken off the standard cap and replaced it with a cap with a hose connector. I carry a gray garden type hose to hook to this cap when on extended stays in campgrounds, screw it to the cap, plug it in the drain and leave the gray line open. You will never have standing water in your shower or anywhere else.
I really like the storage that gophoenix posted in a picture. It appears to be the same system I have but longer and I like the location. May have to modify my system. Thank you gophoenix.
Bob
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I never implied to dump illegally. I thought, if my sani-con had a sudden failure, I could dump once at a dump station that has the cement trough that drains everything into the dump station sewer. Just position the motor home so the drain cap is over the cement trough, then let out the sewage and let it go into the dump station tank properly. Once done, rince the trough. Then run to a store for a sewer hose to get me through until I repair the sanicon, possibly for the balance of the trip. But then hose storage would surely be a problem, hence have a 3" poop hose and storage setup in advance.
About legal versus illegal dumping. I did hear that in some states it is "Legal" to dump gray water along the road side. Any truth to that? I want to say Alaska allows it but am not 100% sure.
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Ron,
In the quote below you said you dumped in a ditch next to the driveway. That is what I was referring to as "illegal" dumping. As far as legally dumping gray water, I do know of some states that the only thing allowed to be dumped on their highways is fresh water. You must remember that the gray water comes out of the same opening that black water does, so unless you spotlessly clean the common drain line you will get some black water remnants exiting. As far as the solution to dump in the concrete opening at a dump station and wash the area down upon completion, I do not know about your dumping, but when you open the dump valve the volume and pressure will shoot the contents all over and will not be contained in that little trough area. Much easier to go to the store and get a hose and then dump. Just my thoughts but anyone else have some ideas.
Bob
"Without human solid waste, we flush our black and gray tanks only upon returning from our trips. I pour in a half bottle of bleach in the toilet, and a half bottle in the kitchen sink, then fill up the two tanks to capacity with fresh warm water. After an hour or two, I then drain them into the ditch next to the driveway, and repeat the process with fresh warm water alone. The result is clean odor-free tanks."
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Ron,
In the quote below you said you dumped in a ditch next to the driveway. That is what I was referring to as "illegal" dumping. As far as legally dumping gray water, I do know of some states that the only thing allowed to be dumped on their highways is fresh water. You must remember that the gray water comes out of the same opening that black water does, so unless you spotlessly clean the common drain line you will get some black water remnants exiting. As far as the solution to dump in the concrete opening at a dump station and wash the area down upon completion, I do not know about your dumping, but when you open the dump valve the volume and pressure will shoot the contents all over and will not be contained in that little trough area. Much easier to go to the store and get a hose and then dump. Just my thoughts but anyone else have some ideas.
Bob
"Without human solid waste, we flush our black and gray tanks only upon returning from our trips. I pour in a half bottle of bleach in the toilet, and a half bottle in the kitchen sink, then fill up the two tanks to capacity with fresh warm water. After an hour or two, I then drain them into the ditch next to the driveway, and repeat the process with fresh warm water alone. The result is clean odor-free tanks."
Oh yes, you are right about that. I never did explain that one in enough detail.
I drain my tanks on the way home from a trip. Then add some fresh water to swish around until we finally get home. Then I dump the heavily diluted leftovers at home, then bleach the tanks also dumped at home. I do not dump high potent sewage in my ditch at home, though easily interpretted that way. I suppose even what I do is not proper, but it is done at home on my own property, not encroaching on or endangering anyone. I would never dump black waste diluted or not, anywhere improper except at home, with emphasis on...."very little". What I put into my ditch is about 1% of what people's dogs put into their yards.
You make a good point about the trough. I should setup a hose storage tube and have a hose on-hand. One more on my "To-Do" list.
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Don't you all think this topic has gone far enough. Lets end it here before someone gets upset. I think everyone has said their piece, so lets move on.